[google14]url:http://www.google.com. Show more, By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, max, fbx, blend, uasset, tbscene and more, obj, fbx, unitypackage, prefab, mat and more. Gumroad. CG Trader is easier to navigate, more stimulating perhaps than turbo squid. And CG Trader offers up to 94% royalty rate, where as Turbo Squid gives I believe 60% royalty rate CG Trader more open than Turbo Squid, and when registering, requires less personal information. Site issues? Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Let me explain - I like the look of the models here, but the site is even designed so end users, like me, can't even download more that 10 "free" items unless they've uploaded models of their own, written tutorials, posted topics to the forum (which is difficult if you're not an actual modeler) and/or jumped through about 1,500 other ridiculous hoops to get enough "reputation" points. And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. Pleas just stand your ground, we need people coming in not leaving out. - It's much easier to upload products here than at TS. Founded in 2000, Turbosquid has championed growth in the 3D space through partnerships with leaders in the industry. Let's give some time to time. [link="http://www.google.com"]google1[/link] Reputation for promptly fixing problems? I wouldn't ever use their site just on principle. They provide clients with pretty much everything they could possibly want at reasonable prices and have a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all their items. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. We at NoneCg think that both CGtrader and Sellers will benefit from the exact opposite policy. How Can we get 94% of Royalty?? I make very nice sale here, and several each month, not as much as TurboSquid, but with 85% royalties I'm not complaining. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? Maybe they have a much deeper interaction with the clients? I can think up multiple scenarios to try get a grip on it but I don't actually care anymore. And I've done the same thing on Turbosquid, in the same period of time. Thanks again guys, and let us know if you have any further comments or questions. A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. CGtrader is founded upon the best ideas and the people hoe believe in it and keep supporting it no matter what and hard work and determination always win. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. Just my fifty cents. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. In short I propose an integration of global search ore collections made by designers. [/quote] Now if this individual was for real I would have loved to contact him and ask If he would like to give me that converted file in exchange for every dollar he paid for the model. I do agree with you regarding the search engine. And between CGTrader and TurbuSquid, I think, let everything will be decided in a reasonable competition. personally CGTrader is the second site where I realize more sales, I think we should avoid generalizing his own experience. You have insufficient credit to complete your purchase. It is pretty awesome!!! @dafunk @S/C. That place is dead for me. "that is where the big money can be", being able to part with an invention has value. We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! captainmarlowe is right. I understand CGtrader's management don't want to bet on one horse but it probable lives the two horses crippled in this case. The reason the model is sold at low price .some models have so many other sellers which can lose models value . That's why I won't model one single model for online sale until this heinous situation is rectified. @IndieArt : So you definitively think that CGtrader's "change of focus" to 3D print sunk your sales? First of all make great and spectacular models for it and promote it on forums, facebook, linkedin groups and forums. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. On Ts we get served for extreme large cost and rather badly frankly said. They recently changed their search engine over there and when you search for Free models it comes up with a few free ones and many more paid ones so from that perspective Turbosquid makes your life even harder lol. It seems to me that over time a CGTrader will be able to overtake TurboSquid in many positions, if TS does not change its policy. Both are still growing, but it seems CGtrader is growing much more. @tomislavveg, on the one hand i agree with you about that, but on the other hand if i would be looking for models i would almost certainly choose TS as my first choice and most likely as a last one before buying. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself. A customer coming in from outside can view stores, search inside a store or still search the global data base. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). What makes Cg-trader better than Turbosquid? TS removes this rating. On TS depends on the country you come for, you get around 30% of your earnings (this is how much you get on your account, I know it is stated 60% but they take additional 30% for US tax), here I am not shore how much you get as I just joined and did not made any sales. I have been studying their website from a buyers perspective thoroughly and I have noticed that; 1. The art is to do it structurally organized and easily navigable and then it is a matter of giving the people the right tools and they will do the rest issue I think. I will search on TS and when found right model I will maybe look at cgtrader if there is that same model for cheaper. @limonadinis Those are very interesting ideas to develop for the future. If I run the same test on Turbosquid or The3DStudio, I get almost exclusively original characters. Better for who? See the reputation, see the response rate, realise the problem will be fixed. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. They can present the model screenshots straight from their helpdesk and ensure the client is not being screwed? How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. Animated Camel 3D Model 13. So in this case you could say we are the asses and there's lots of us so we form a huge ass and CGt can place many chairs for us to sit on ;-) By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Dear adentonclark, While there is some sellers that naively think they can rely on Turbosquid's good will to improve their situation in the future, the rest of us should be start working together towards a collective benefit. In fact, 61% comes out against 40%, since the paypal commission on cgtrader is borne by the seller, the site pays commission on turbosquid. just needs more publicity.. us designers need to market the site with our products at the rate one of my designs is going ill have more facebook likes/shares than the website itself has on one design Turbosquid is butt ugly and greedy, I hope when CG gets bigger than TS, they don't end up the same way. I would like to see similar stats from other sellers, but CGtrader has been the 3D marketplace with the higher increase in sales for us without a doubt. They may not end up following your ideas, but they will certainly take them into account. [Lighthouse12](http://lighthouseapp.com/ "Lighthouse12") They say you can price things anyway you want but then they take down your models if they do not agree with how you price them. The "crap models", "under-priced models" issue is a very sensitive topic that should be discussed. Another thing that drove me crazy about Turbosquid was how you couldn't promote any of your social media and it made it very difficult to get your clients from let's say Facebook and Twitter to notice your artwork. Think about your future: I like this site more, because, firstly, it has a much more pleasant and understandable interface, gives a higher percentage of the sale (on a TS, it looks more like a tip if you are not a member of their club), and generally it works more stable. User experience and User interface is much better to manage your store, and higher royalty. That thing is just getting started ;-). I remember that too! i like the points system on cg trader . Get this item for $ when you bundle it with the items in your cart. CGtrader website is much bather coded and it just need some time to get on top. I'm done with them. CGtrader is more in line with modern economics and following the model of open participation businesses, all these things make it have the hallmarks of successfully serving a growing team with highly ambitious members and top talented achievers (and also stronger support of the CG community itself). [quote]1. flob3d: I don't know if Jonathan invented the CheckMate, but what I can say is that Jonathan is a good professional and he often helped me a lot, so I have no complaints to make. I will leave the items here to see if cg trader does manage to change things around over the next 12 months and if not will simply sell them on turbosquid. Open a Support Ticket, Licensing questions?Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager. NoneCG will be up for it. I am going to start a list to promote artists who are making great models but just aren't getting the views. AFAIK buyers right to be refunded is protected by law. I don't think trying to sit down with one ass on more then one chair at the same time is a good business. I had hoped that CGTrader would want to be the kings but i have to be honest if you licence a thing only here you have to own it forever, as you cannot sell that licence. In regards to product awareness and marketing it is also nice to have some special user cases to show off, there is no room to collect user case data in the Ts model. You are right IterateCGI it would be terrible for the photo realistic 3D models however if you think about it not that many 3D artists create things in that style and in some cases are capable of doing that especially some of the newbies. We had the experience of a 3d modeling agents (UKW) stealing our models before and stopped selling with them, from there on we put a small signature on each model. The stores/collections idea sounds good but maybe a simpler voting system for any product/seller will give an easy ranking system to take in count for search results among other factors. 3. No, I don't think it's just about SEO. Dear adentonclark, Here it is quite seamless and elegant. Don't forget those young people are going to shape the future of this market and if we want to have a flourishing market then we need lots of well trained people in it. People are followers they have always been and always will be. This is the Tesla Model 3. Adult Female Jessy Rigged 3D Model 9. They call that "3D Industry" on the download report .. it's rare but it's happend (one time for me) --GENERAL--. So the staff there tries to work So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. I think posting links to showcase your model in an animation or to show how a rig works is extremely advantageous. I'm just dreading that sober moment when TS offers to buy CGT to kill off the competition. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. You just have to check the Sellers forum at Turbosquid to see plenty of complaints about all sorts of abusive policies. I removed the download limit until we update the protection so that buyers can download much larger quantities of free models. Then someone from cgtrader decided that he likes 3dprinting sooo much. I would expect those kinds of charges from a real art gallery with real world space that could sell my work for 10,000 a pop, not some virtual space that sells my work for 50 bucks. TurboSquid is not a company that practices any kind of #FairBusiness, and there is many other cases from other people stating the same for different reasons: Luckily, non of my sells on TS were refunded so far and i had 3 refunds on CGT, 2 of them was caused by technical reasons from CGT side. Delhi Escort Allot of snags and details need to be worked out in order to make this sorts of things happen but the main idea here is to have complimentary forces working together to make a better product. The designers make a deal with each other and negotiate a percentage on the sales. However, we have detected that you have set your prices back numerous times after we have made appropriate changes. - Fixing some guidelines to upload quality models (at least assuring that obj models, for instance, if textured, should have a proper .mtl file, limiting the models to quads/tris, imposing materials and textures to have understandable names, etc. That's just an easy question to answer 1. I have to be honest about my view else who am i. Answer (1 of 7): I'm a CGtrader member for almost two years now and in my opinion it is the best platform for stock media developers available today. Having a direct link/communication is also critical in detecting possible needs and potential new business. Regarding the support case, perhaps you could share the exact details on the case by a message or email to me ([email protected]) - we would like to look more into it and ensure that no cases like that are unsolved. Thus by searching to widen its audience, the buyer only decrease the site credibility. You are just providing a platform." And in terms of openness and freedom CGTrader is the first. :). CGtrader might have better conditions, rules and everything but it's useless if it doesn't attract more buyers. Yes CGtrader is great! We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. Nice try. I agree structural arrangements need to be done to support this bud it needs to be done in a way so it supports the main axiom of openness. But based on the results, we see that it makes sense to show off the CG part on the homepage as well. What this shows is their weakness. What I saw after that was a 50 to 50 ration decrease on Ts and increase on my CGt account. Honestly I feel that it would be better to sell n bit slower that to have your models stolen. I think we just need so some massive killer models of epic proportions that the 3D modeling community cant ignore. I hope ideas of exclusivity get replaced by inclusive ones all over the globe. TS beside ripping off taxes have a terrible support, I just was told in the civilized manner to F OFF, as I complained on an admin who kept my 3D model suspended for over 4 days. Maybe some people don't want to bother about different programs compatibility, while others don't mind to spent time configuring things in different applications. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. Work directly with a 3D artist for your project. CG Trader. You can upload a 20 mb large model here with 3 formats, 20 photos, 100 wording text, 20 tags in around 20 minutes. The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). It needs to be obvious where to go if you want one or the other. Personally, I felt I in no way infringed on said IP. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. We made this limitation to protect our designers from leechers who download hundreds of free models and then try to monetize them in some other way. In previous post the buyer mentioned he don't get reputation points for buying models? I was a seller on Ts for very long time but never liked it, felt the 60% cut was unjust, the aggressive tactics towards competitors was bad, the self centeredness to keep artist away from own clients was wrong, and there are many more reasons why it never felt home to me. TS management is by far the worst in history, they are great at Hostile take overs, yet bad at dealing with the realities of industry, i stopped all my affiliate links with TS and right now i'm sharing only the links for my products on CGT and Art station. Putting 3D printing as the main product range on first page doesn't help, as has been noted. Bottom line is if people are used to buying from TS they won't buy here because they need to use a different system so let's create our own client base. The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. And it offers a more strategic dimension. They also have multiple sellers selling the same products so that it is easier for people to avoid people paying for shipping in their country. CGtrader staff admits to some degree to this problem (see the comment of Dalia Lasaite) and promises to redesign the homepage. A own store where you can fill your offers with stuff found in the large pool would account for a thumbs up for the people hoes products get placed in those stores. It would be mess. To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. We are looking for contributors. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. B: CGTrader needs to do SOMETHING about all the damn undercutters. I think I like the another item the modeler has created (Modern Villa), but that item is $40. the only thing that has cgtrader extra is the freelance job posting area. Is the same for me as everyone else. I'm not sure about your analysis. - CGTrader pays immediately; TS waits until the end of the month. Same for me, here. It is a shame that cg trader has so few people using it but turbosquid has been going for some time now and is very well established. adentonclark is 100 percent correct in this regard! I have met a bunch of really good artists here that I have had the pleasure of working with. @captainmarlowe Thanks a lot for a lot of valid points regarding search and categorization! It's an example of waste of human recourses and time, because how many more are performing this same conversion work without telling? The product team is reviewing your comments and this is something we will definitely work on. (Edge loops, quad poly, simple overall structure) Full Rigged with over 30 facial blendshapes and 20+ skin morph targets in order to produce better rig quality and remove some joints issues such as overlaped knees, stretched hips, etc. They could put down an amount between 1 to 5 bucks as a deposit and after sampling the model as you suggested they could deduct that amount from the final sale. Its great way to compete and fair . Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment Maybe the home page should be a very simple page with only two huge buttons [CG models] and [3D Printing]. I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? We finally have some real genuine completion for the best sales platform. rigged People SixPack 003 - Photogrammetry Population Character Rig, Realistic Human Body Basemesh - UVMapped - Rigged, CARTOON MAN AND WOMAN - TOON MOTHER AND FATHER, Worker Mining Safety Female - Bella - Harness, Naked Fitness Blonde Woman with Tied Hair. CGT is the only website that really understand both the artists and customer needs! Exclusivity to any marketplace has been proved a revenue loss. To be honest, when I first found this site a few days ago I was really excited. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. They just took multiple of my most expensive items and run for it. Everything about it is ugly, i just sell a model on cgTrader and another model on Turbosquid, cgtrader gives me 71% and i feel ok , turbosquid gives me 40% and i feel like i get raped, besides its tedious way of uploading methods im done with those guys, i will stick with CGtrader, thanks for the information, still 60 to 40 is a big difference. I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. I have no problem with a site offering an option for seller/buyer to find quality print-ready products. Free3d.com7. Yep.. Yes indeed! You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. - CGTrader pays a LOT more than TS; TS *keeps* 60% unless you sell exclusively on their site and join their "Squid Guild". We previously sent you final warnings about your non-compliance with our Best Prices policy. CGT needs to get on Amazon a.s.a.p or partner with all the top leading commercial comps in order to make 3D more interesting to more buyers. In one case, the model is promising, commercial, and then set a high price. Money in short term does not always pay of in long run. It might be a good idea to see what the customer experience is with various market places by making an experimental purchase at each and seeing who has the most effective methods of enticing return visits and encouraging word-of-mouth bumps. I got a bunch of scanned statues sold for 3D printing, some sci-fi characters that are obviously copyright infringements because made from movie licences, and, at the best, less than 1/2 of original characters models, many of them not being displayed because of "adult content". You need to find what you want based on category and budget and purchase it quickly so you can use the product or send it to who will. Login to PayPal to add your account as a payment method. You can just buy and return it if it is not to your satisfaction. And something ells , I have seen people criticize the young inexperienced and even blame them to some point for some negative experiences over here. I agree with the last post, searching for models should not be a pain. or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? I was victim of that there a few months ago, I had a bad rating when the model have never had a problem during many years. So let's hope that at some point, the designers of the site will establish some filters to guarantee a minimal quality and, why not, a "good practice charter" for the sellers, or that they will explain some sellers that their attitude is not good in the long term for the site credibility. I would even make the prediction that most of what will be left of Ts (following months) are the exclusive sellers, they will probably get very frustrated and come over here no matter what deals they made with Ts. Sometime buyer in frustration just leave bad review on the model for issues that can be solved easily, but since he cant contact seller he thinks he cant do anything about it and he wasted his money. Buyer can contact seller directly, which can save him/her lot's of time and frustrations. What's lacking? - Crowdfunding to improve the CGtrader presence in the market. I'm just an end-user, one of the people you guys sell to, and the site is a large part of the issue, in multiple ways. Then we're all back at Square one again. Maybe I live in an unrealistic parallel reality, where at least some people still have some dignity and know how and when to differentiate good vs evil and take a public stand with actions instead of just words. Well, it was more than one year ago that I last intervened on this thread. It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. The same goes for student projects. In fact, I had taken deliberate steps to ensure that I included no content in my designs that could even be construed as overlap. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. Hi guys, thanks so much for your very valuable comments, they are much appreciated and we are very happy to work with you in order to make CGTrader the best place for 3D designers! Tom cat cartoon character rigged for Maya 12. Hi there, just want to ask about the artstation store, do they have a condition of not selling on other store? what you say doesn't make any sense because CGTrader has a 100 percent guarantee return policy on all models as far as I know. With the support of a strong community we can get this thing going, don't worry about that. Please let us know if you have any feedback. We want to improve the site not make it worse :). Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? CGt basically needs to be good at one thing, "facilitating a sales platform". I think that they keep the 3D models as a curtsey only or to serve as samples that could at a later date be turned into prints. However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). Marius Kalytis (founder of this place) was a 3D artist himself and took notice of the questionable policy's the established market had adopted (leaving room to do it differently). Prices do not include additional fees, such as shipping . I think we as sellers can do a lot to make cgtrader more interesting for buyers. Absurd as it may sound, a lot of customers doesn't even make a simple "XXXX 3D model" search and go to Turbosquid just because that's a name they heard before. No frankly, it's a bloody mystery. Do not forget to check out rigged vehicles, guns and other objects, including environments, in addition to rigged characters to increase the control and interactivity you can achieve in your project. Considering it as a seller, CGTrader is NOT better because I have almost no sales at all while I have about 10 sales every month on TS. Ts went head on and contacted me (I was probably among list of targeted folks at that time, Ts previously also contacted me to make some shady deals which I rejected), now they requested me to lower my prices according to new price grantee model. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. This is inherently due to the fact that computers are still very bad when it comes to optimization processes, human brains are far more superior in sorting out things. Chat with Support 24/7 After selling on TS over 20 years I can share that our sales here are x5-10 higher (partially due to stopped publishing on TS), so why about uploaded your models on artstation marketplace or other market place which allows you to sell in other sites, I think ts is the worth one. CGTrader is bather as a platform and like I wrote above if we help in couple of months will overcome TS on search engines, which will also increase our sales. I do not know if micro-managing brand or front-page appeal helps drive sales more effectively on other sites than on CGTrader. For this, it is certainly the most pleasant place to sell models I know right now. They said fraud protection is only reserved for exclusive sellers. They customize those figures anyway you want. A man can dream on :]. Hopefully that would make squids to react. http://content.screencast.com/users/Lenwe/folders/Default/media/d7b76144-43db-4cbe-b27b-8ea42b3a7cb0/TurboSquid_Low_Sales.png I think CGTrader just has to advertise itself more.. everything else will fall into place.. CG traders designer rank rep points. So, Ts will probably have a few thousand lawsuits to issue in following months if they like. So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. I'm probably leaving this site for good, but it won't be because of you guys - it's because of the site itself.