That a shirt tail or jacket cinch cord slips into a holster. RKC, the first time someone presented me with a 1911 whose trigger rivaled my Pythons single action, I started wondering about that. ABC News ran two reports on the topic last week, highlighting one particular cop in Bridge City, Texas who is suing SIG for $15 million. Sig Sauer P320: The US Army Loves This Gun (But There Is a Problem) LOL! Bagnells and other lawsuits ABC claims at least 54 discharges and 10 suits against SIG describe instances of P320s going off dating back to 2016, prior to the upgrade. Again, these are examples the plaintiff in this case is using to support his claim that the P320 is prone to un-commanded discharges.. Bravo. The SIG P320, which has been manufactured since 2014, is known to go off without the trigger being pulled if it's dropped and lands on the ground at a certain angle. The weapon had a history of going off unexpectedly when it was dropped at a certain angle. Sig can burn for all I care. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. DND/CAF is not in a position at this stage in its investigation to offer insight into the potential causes because our investigation scope is broader than the technical aspect pertaining to the unintended discharge of the pistol.. in 2021," Bagnell said of the overall scope of the concern . Back in 2017, SIG instituted a voluntary upgrade program to replace the original production triggers with new enhanced triggers designed to fix the issue that we and others observed when the pistols were dropped onto hard surfaces. The Moron engineer who decided to put that on the Glock should have been hung by his dirty balls. https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Bagnell told TTAG that he believes the problem with the striker-fired P320 is an inadequate sear/striker connection (he has images he says illustrate this on his website). Glocks have gone off when people attempted to holster them and after they have holstered them, some times way later after holstering them like the fellow that got into his pickup truck. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. No the devil went down to Georgia to learn how to play a fiddle. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. The weapons are currently on the shelf and the soldiers have returned to using their older model SIG P226s. Because its flat out bull**it. Just 3 days ago, a Florida Corrections recruit killed herself by a negligent discharge during firearms training. ! only reveals ones immature emotional attachment to an inanimate object, which reveals a pretty childish worldview. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Covid ruined that gravy train for him but hes still doing the conventions. The Defiant regardless of who is the captain. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. But just the same- a gun going off from momentum? He said hes a gun owner and a concealed carry permit holder. As for Seals they have their own contract with Glock but can carry anything they want. Many gun makers have had issues with drop firing, unintended discharge, bad safeties This is a resource I compiled of semi-auto pistols that have been recalled or Upgraded for Safety related problems like Drop Firing, Safeties that Malfunction, Risk of Accidental Discharge, etc. I wouldnt be surprised if she did it intentionally, she clearly suffers from a serious case of media whoring. The same should hold true for the insane marketing of pistols like the totally unsafe Glock. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. Harrison responded, No, I dont think the upgraded version should be recalled, in fact I think the previous version should be recalled so that everyone has the upgraded version.. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. She didnt sue, but swore she would never own another Volvo again. Ditto; that's what i was getting at earlier Bear007 Custom Aug 25, 2021 #18 Whats the difference between a $600 Sig and a $300 Taurus? never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. ), and the gun fell out of his pocket. These officers are not gunfighters. Hes talking about trial lawyers recruiting clients whove experienced negligent discharges with P320s and suing the gun manufacturer. How many times does a pistol have to malfunction before you blame it? Companies stay silent In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. Its also beyond debate that current production Sig quality is drastically inferior to what it once was, particularly the German made pieces. . He likens it to a bow-and-arrow, pulled taut. . And yes, if I pulled some of those stunts, Id have my membership revoked. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum Glock is being sued too, because once loaded and a round is chambered, it also has a much lighter trigger than a DA/SA. So your fanboy perjorative falls not only flat but false. Everyone remember the video of the DEA agent shooting himself while explaining that he was highly qualified to carry a gun? The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. The round went downrange so nobody was hurt. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. Were not the only ones who have noticed the lawsuits. And they think hey have an actual legit lawsuit on their hands? 19 Feb 2021 Military.com | By Matthew Cox A former U.S. Marine and federal agent has filed a $10 million lawsuit against Sig Sauer Inc. alleging that his holstered Sig P320 -- a pistol. The guide rod is cheap and breaks, it has rotten front sights! converted to the Glock denomination, but are now screaming that the P320 is Too new, not worked out! It has nothing to do with Glock. The Nightline segment includes an interview with Major Peter Villani, an expert (paid) witness for Hilton. Clients such as law enforcement officers whose negligent discharges could result in their being disciplined or fired unless it can be proven that the gun was at fault. BAM. It doesnt matter whether SIG is at fault or not. Thats why NY demanded the NY Trigger be installed on Glocks before theyd buy them. As to prong 2, there is a considerable difference between the mechanism of a 320 and, say, ones basic Glock, in that a 320 is fully cocked, whereas a Glock is half-cocked until the trigger is fully depressed, with the striker remaining locked by the striker safety plunger until that is released by a cam on the trigger bar. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Bagnell said he thinks the discharges are due to both design and manufacturing flaws on SIGs part. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. Both companies, instead, took to pro-gun industry forums to offer a rebuttal, giving no opportunity to answer questions. Sometimes you dont get what you pay for but now SIG has bragging rights. The suit also cites other occurrences of "un-commanded" discharges with the 320 while holstered. The second accidental shooting happened after police supervisors internally raised questions about the safety of the SIG Sauer P320. In 1982 the G17 hit the market and in 1983 they gave 30,000 pistols to the Austrian military at cost. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. First I have no problem with the Mk 25 or any other Sig thats metal. Fair enough. D. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. I just separate Shatner the man from Kirk the character, which he plays with Shakespearian operatic perfection. They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. No picture for me. Sig started out rough, but a lot of agencies have decided that their modular chassis system is the way of the future. Another p320 "accidental discharge" - The Armory Life Forum The military has found that the pistol has a tendency to eject live rounds among other issues. If the gangster greed monger criminal Capitalvanians in the gun industry had their products under the jurisdiction of the consumer safety administration all the newer striker fired guns would never have been allowed on the market unless they had manual safeties and a safe take down system. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. P320 Voluntary Upgrade Program | SIG SAUER These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. That took a lot. SIG Sauer, a German weapons maker with its U.S. headquarters in Newington, N.H., issued a statement Friday in response to a CBC News report earlier this week that revealed the Nov. 5, 2020, incident and the fact the weapon, the SIG P320, had been withdrawn from service while the military conducts an investigation. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Ron Cohen ruined Kimber and now hes doing the same to SIG. How about something more relevant. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g. I dont know nothing about Sigs, I do know any gunm that goes off when I lay it on a table gets sold with a warning and I never touch that brand or model again. Time will tell if no. So far I have only heard of one instance (post fix) where there was an ND and the post mortem on the gun demonstrating a mechanical failure. Sig P320 Accidental Discharge Problem | SIG Talk According to Section 22.05 of the Texas Penal Code, engaging in deadly conduct with a firearm is considered a felony of the third degree. Before the madness SIGS were expensive. But as Officer Hilton says, There is no way anything could have gotten into my purseinto the trigger guard and pulled that trigger., This ABC report includes an interview with Joshua Harrison, a firearms expert hired by the network to examine the P320s design and give his opinion of its safety. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Marine vet ICE agent sues Sig Sauer for $10M claiming pistol shot him The new Kirk does suck. We will respect the ongoing investigation and will not offer further comment at this time, Bineau said. The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Police Department, was wounded when his P320 duty gun discharged without a trigger pull while he was carrying it in a gym bag wrapped carefully with a cloth. Officer Collette was wounded in his left leg. But then Im not a federal LE flunky who cant keep my booger hook off the bang switch, either. P320 Accidental Discharge Still an Issue : r/SigSauer - reddit This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. What it likely means is that cops and other law enforcement officers carry and handle their guns far more often than the average Joe or Jane. L. LRRifleman . Thats fine. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. . Yes, conspiracy to defraud is a thing when ones @ss is on the line. I would trust a hungry lion on the Serengeti plains of Africa more than I would a C.E.O. The use of a modified [SIG] P226 holster created an unsafe condition by allowing a foreign object to enter the holster, causing the unintended discharge.. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. But hey, in ruthless, lawless, Capitalvania were life is considered cheap and expendable no one gives a shit, especially the Far Right that screams about abortions and then kills off the children that were not aborted with loaded guns laying around the house. Charlton, headquartered in Victoria, B.C., for comment on its original story, but neither responded. Dont care for them, not my jam. There used to be a problem, which is why Sig fixed it. Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! He probably had a double until it was over. Not too long after they sold a pistol to the public and United States military thats not even DROP SAFE?!? It isnt the beginner woodworker who loses fingers. Special Forces pulls new pistols from service after soldier - CBC Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! Fourth, no one takes Taurus seriously. It sure wasnt her fault though, because she was flooring the.