October 22, 2009: The material on this site may not be reproduced, distributed, transmitted, cached or otherwise used, except with the prior written permission of Cond Nast. You are born, you grow up, you make friends, you get a job, a partner, a house, maybe a car, maybe a kid, maybe more. See rank. Mr. BAGBY: I have a lot of trouble with those things too, and I suspect what really goes on, what's called intuition, is really a very, very complex calculation of lots of little indicators, little things that Andrew said on the phone maybe. Or was this her, way of demanding that they suspend their critical faculties and declare their, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I don't know what to give Zachary. Now that Zachary was starting to walk, he was free to make a beeline to. My TV-consumption habits for the past several months have been awash in murder, and Netflix knows itwhich is how, fresh from binge-watching Making a Murderer and hungry for more, I recently came across Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father. This odd documentarywhich deals with the death of a young physician named Andrew Bagby, who was a childhood friend of the films director, Kurt Kuennemade a small splash when it was first released, in 2008, but its worth revisiting now, in the midst of the recent bonanza of true-crime hits. On Monday, March 22, 2010, the House of Commons in Ottawa unanimously passed Bill C-464 - An Act to Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody). Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbysthe story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Any reference to Turner as a flight risk, for instance, is accompanied by birdsong and pictures of flying pigeons. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. MORRISON: It's no easy thing to be a doctor in America. They are selfless. Photo courtesy of David and Kathleen Bagby, dear zachary a letter to a son about his father, Defector Freelancer Policies, Created In Partnership With The National Writers Union. And the comfort they personify can be found in the fact that even in the face of Shirley Jane Turner, they not only continue, they remain good while continuing. Dr. Andrew Bagby was killed on November 5, 2001, by an older woman named Shirley Jane Turner, who he had dated at a low point in his life. The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as they struggled to come to terms first with the 2001 slaying of their 28-year-old son, Dr. Andrew Bagby, and later with the murder of Andrew's son, 13 . (Photos of David and Kate with Zachary; Shirley being escorted from court). DVD: Amazon | B&N The amount of the award will be variable, but is expected to be in the range of $1,000. MP Andrews was inspired to create Bill C-464 after seeing Dear Zachary for the first time in March; he and Senator Tommy Banks distributed DVDs of Dear Zachary to every member of the House of Commons for their review immediately following the December 4th discussion. A True-Crime Story That Puts the Victims First | The New Yorker He says his mother was so often, unavailable, especially from the time she started medical school. She just dropped to the floor and laid down, and, I went down after her. I'm just looking for somebody to hang out with and have fun here in school.' You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. MORRISON: Zachary fell asleep in his car seat. None of his friends liked Turner because she was often inappropriate and even harassed one of Bagbys exes and just generally appeared to be an incredibly unstable, crude, and unlikeable personbasically Bagby's exact opposite. USA | Canada | UK, Original poster artwork by Evan B. Harris, Proceeds from this film benefit the Dr. Bagby Scholarship and the Dr. Andrew Bagby and son Zachary Bursary, Watch this short film to see the quest to complete Dear Zachary and amend Canadian bail law. would be the difference if one person weren't alive? Dear Zachary: A Letter to a son about his father Slamdance Film Festival book signing! And in that time, the Canadian justice system does nothing. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father sounds like the kind of movie I would never want to see, which is why it took me so long to actually see it. of a woman and a baby on the beach, and I lost it again. An autopsy report would show that an anti-anxiety drug, prescribed by the very psychiatrist who put up Shirley's bail money had been, mixed into Zachary's formula. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. And we, would have agreed to anything. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. MORRISON: When somebody tells you that your mother may have--was a suspect Mr. SHEARS: No, it has to be a mistake. but if we don't get help, we don't know if we're doing what's best. And I, wanted to scream, `My son's life is on hold forever, and you have the audacity, to apologize to this accused murderer?' put Zachary on her lap to open presents, and he resists. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I have that for protection. I had this overwhelming feeling. I got to go to the trial. We were done," Kate Bagby said, finishing her husband's thought, a quirk of their relationship that became apparent during a several-hour recount of how their lives spiraled out of control after that phone call from police. Blu-ray: murderer in check. We just want as many people as possible to know this story, the documentary, for the practical reasons in my fantasies, I suppose some judge, some place, actually gets it and denies bail to somebody who could kill again, said David. MORRISON: And now that she was freed, Shirley would once again, Mr. BAGBY: We had to take him down the stairs and give him to, Shirley's friend, who happened to have a car seat. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. September 28, 2008: with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. I can understand that. MORRISON: Andrew's body was discovered the following morning with bullets lodged in his face, buttock, chest, the back of his head. How dreadful the knowledge of the truth can be, wrote Sophocles, when theres no help in truth.. Dear Zachary was then voted the #3 audience favorite of the festival by viewer ballot, out of the 172 distinguished documentaries screening at Hot Docs. Well, you dont have to look far, said Dr. T. Clark Simpson, who worked with Bagby. Go away.'. But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Kuenne, a childhood friend of Andrews, started out to make the movie as a tribute to Andrew, but it kept taking on new meanings, first with Zacharys birth and then his death. . The Bagbys couldn't have been happier, particularly since. Now armed with a powerful tool, "Dear Zachary: A Letter, to a Son about his Father," the tribute film Kurt Kuenne started making, first. KATE: (To Zachary) Kurt knew your daddy when he was a little boy. MORRISON: But she was allowed to go back to Newfoundland? Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. then one day I realized what it was. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. Turner, the daughter of a U.S. serviceman and a woman from St. Anthony, met Andrew while they were attending medical school at Memorial University in St. Johns. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss What kind of headfuck must that be? The 10th Anniversary Blu-Ray and DVD are also available from other retailers listed below, and the digital edition is now available for purchase or rent on iTunes, Amazon Prime Video, and Google Play. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Are you sure? And I prayed to God to be looking after him. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. They are the opposite of Shirley Jane Turner. And that was midafternoon. to the house and found a card from a police officer that we knew. But the tributes Kuenne collected remain the spine of the movie, alternating throughout with exposition of the murder and its aftermath. I don't know how else to say it except they are grown-ups: they are funny, but serious; playful, but organized. But it will also introduce you to some of the most inspiring, strong and caring people ever to grace the big screen."" How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? It, (Photo of Shirley; Shirley, Zachary and David; photos of Shirley and Zachary). A court mandate allowed David and Kate Bagby to spend time, with their grandson, babysitting, even sharing in joint activities with. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. It will make you question your faith in the world. unforgivable and that's just the way it's going to be for the rest of my life. In this way, Dear Zachary inverts the usual way of telling murder stories. Believing that even where there is evil, there is also a tremendous amount of good." (Photo of Shirley, Kate and Zachary; photo of Shirley, David and Zachary; Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Well, I just want your word that I'm going to, know where he's at, like any babysitter, you know, if you're going to take him, anywhere, just say, `Shirley, we're going to run out and do this. I kind of. Mr. SIMPSON: Things people should know about Andrew, he was never late. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss: The bond between, Zachary and his grandparents grew and grew, and Shirley noticed, even from, KATE: (Audio recording) I think it was one time we were on the phone or, KATE: (Audio recording) Yeah, the baby cried, and I said, `Oh, there's my, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) Yeah, `Oh, my baby. However awkward Shirley Turner made it, they were sweet, cooperative. Previously, Kate was a Founder & Executive Director at Read More Kate Bagby's Phone Number and Email Last Update 11/14/2022 10:26 AM Email k***@mothersagainstmurder.org Engage via Email Contact Number (***) ***-**** Engage via Phone Mobile Number She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Is it OK? Kuenne finished his documentary and dedicated it to the memories of both Bagby and Zachary. Lastly, Dear Zachary was screened in Ottawa on March 11, 2009 for various members of Parliament and their staff; as a result, a small but committed group of Parliamentarians are now drafting a bill based on the issues raised in the film. Mr. SHEARS: You could see in his eyes that he was full of life. Click HERE for ticket information. We couldnt actually believe shed (harm Zachary), but we consciously feared she could do that, he said. Andrew came to St. John's. They did their best to keep their dark feelings about their son's accused. kind of the only way that this little boy is going to get to know his dad. In 2006, the press was there again to cover the issuance of a report on the death of, (Newspaper article; David on TV show being interviewed; Confederation, Unidentified Reporter: (Newscast) The government has received a scathing. KATE: I sat there and bit my lip and cried. I dont understand how that can be ignored.. This is without a doubt one of the most profound, touching and moving films I have ever watched." I just want to get through medical school.'. We were kind of like, `Well, we're not the best ones to be taking care of a child.' Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. Dear Zachary has been acquired for theatrical release and DVD distribution by the newly formed Oscilloscope Pictures, and will be released in New York on October 31st, and in Los Angeles and Chicago on November 7th. We would've done handstands and cartwheels to. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. He couldve introduced his friends death any way he wanted, and he went with this, with a kid who can barely pronounce the word killed asking why one of daddys friends has ended up that way. There won't be any question about whether she can hurt, MORRISON: Coming up, as David Bagby wrestles with these terrible. Its been more than 10 years since the Bagbys have been back to Newfoundland and Labrador. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. us around. We urge you to write your MP (if you're Canadian) or the Attorney General of Canada (if you're not) in support of MP Andrews' bill; the next few months are a crucial time. The next, hearing in the extradition process was set for September, at which time they. Mr. SHEARS: I can remember being really upset and pissed off about that, happening because I had--I had friends here, and I had no time to tell anybody, basically why. 10th Anniversary Collector's Edition DigiPak: Mr. KUENNE: He liked playing bad guys a lot. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. especially long work day and dropped himself in front of the television. Tessa Bagby - Producer, 1st Assistant Director - LinkedIn to reconsider getting some help with that. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. Which is to say, the woman who killed Dr. Andrew Bagby is pregnant with Dr. Andrew Bagbys baby. Bagby, that man about whom no one had a bad word, was left lying face down in a Pennsylvania state park with five bullets in him. It also recently screened at the Calgary International Film Festival and the Edmonton International Film Festival to standing ovations from Canadian audiences, where it inspired many audience members to write their Parliament in support of bail reform. Woman #11: Doesn't matter what happened. report that concluded the child protection system failed Zachary Turner. His father says, "I kissed him and held . I am a young director, producer, stage manager, communicator, and creative organizer for theatre and multimedia artistic endeavors. IMDbPro Starmeter. ), DEAR ZACHARY 10TH ANNIVERSARY HD REMASTERED EDITIONNOW AVAILABLE ON BLU-RAY, DVD, and DIGITAL, For the film's 10th anniversary, Kurt Kuenne remastered "Dear Zachary", its epilogue, and its bonus features for HD, converting the original standard definition elements to HD shot-by-shot, while remixing the film in 5.1 surround, so that it now looks and sounds as originally intended on today's platforms. Cpl. It didn't clue in, MORRISON: T.J. says while he was touched that she'd shown up at, the hospital, he was also a little surprised. David Bagby will be signing copies of Dance with the Devil on Sunday, January 20th, from 3-4 P.M. at Dolly's Bookstore, 510 Main Street, Park City, Utah. Djing. The good life started in earnest when Kate first laid eyes on Petty Officer David Bagby, who was serving on the USS Hornet, docked in Long Beach in 1967. They held their breath. Curated newsletters for curious minds. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. December 15, 2009: MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? I promise within the first five minutes you will be captured by it and you won't be able to tear yourself away. David Bagby wrote Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss, a best-seller in Canada in 2007, about his family's ordeal. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Dear Zachary recently won the Sigma Delta Chi Award for Best Documentary of 2008 from the Society of Professional Journalists. And she followed Andrew to St. John's.. He said, `What do you mean?' He laughs as he recalls images of Zachary running up and down a hall, saying that is a joy. A huge chunk of the remainder of Dear Zachary is the Canadian justice system treating the Bagbys like common criminals while the actual criminal is given a breathtaking amount of freedom. get in there, if that's what she demanded. It was made to tell a story and to capture forever the life of one man and the many people he touched. Office Manager. They had to be nice to Turner, to keep her mellow, and not fight with her. Andrew, despite his obvious abilities, was turned down by every medical school in the country. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. Imagine being the parents of a man who was killed and then having to ingratiate yourself to the killer in order to keep your grandchild safe. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. In Los Angeles - August 22-28 at the Arclight Hollywood, 6360 Sunset Blvd. This is Defector, a new sports blog and media company. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. Zachary, I love you, baby. Mr. SHEARS: Mm, yeah. They recorded them. -. I mean, she. She pushed it back in and cried some more. Far from experiencing the satisfaction of cracking a mystery, the viewer is likely to come away with a feeling of stymied sickness, of hitting the brick wall of a world gone wronga feeling which must be closer to the lived reality of violent tragedy. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. Instead, the film's dramatic nodes are scenes such as the one in which Bagby's parents, David and Kate, recall going to identify their son's body. I--we both did. I knew, exactly what my son looked at before he died. MORRISON: I never know what to think about these feelings that people get. And I know, you love me, and--yeah. Also foreshadowing is how long it takes Andrews parents, Kate and David, to wade through various levels of bureaucracy to confirm his death. 'Nothing to lose' | Gilroy Dispatch | Gilroy, San Martin, CA It opens with a gushing montage of the friends of a doctor named Andrew Bagby, none of whom have one real bad word about him. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. December 4, 2008: Kind of panic sets in, I guess, and that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. I was like, `Oh, OK, yeah.' Andrew Bagby, a gregarious family-practice resident at Latrobe, was found shot to death on Nov. 5, 2001, in Keystone State Park. Well, I said, `Bring some beer. I think they just poured all of their love and, MORRISON: A week after Kurt's visit, Zachary turned one. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? How do you represent anguish of that magnitude without turning it into a Greek tragedy? It also recently won Best Documentary at the Orlando Film Festival and the Audience Award at the St. Louis International Film Festival. I would really like for you and Kate. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) It's either in my closet or my bedroom. Dance with the Devil is David Bagby's . A judge called Andrews murder a vicious crime, but did not consider Turner a risk to others. MP Andrews was spurred on to the creation of this bill after seeing "Dear Zachary" at a March screening in Ottawa to which all Members of Parliament were invited. Some of, those frames even at the dollar stores will say--there'll be little sayings on, Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) if you want to say `Mommy and Daddy' on a. frame and stick a picture of me and Andrew in it, I don't know. I had a son I used, (Photo of young Kate; photo of Kate and David; photo of Kate and Andrew), KATE: And then suddenly you're in the pits, and then you have to learn that, MORRISON: Two weeks after Zachary's murder, the press covered a, Mr. BAGBY: (Press conference) We believe that the legal system helped her to, MORRISON: Charging the child protection authorities dropped the, ball, and that a disastrous bail system allowed a probable first-degree, (Zachary; court document; Shirley and Andrew). Senior Writer and Project Manager. Mr. BAGBY: She just kept coming back, and coming back and coming back. IE 11 is not supported. "We had to do something.. She was here.' You dont get over it. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. (Photo of Andrew; cell phone towers; photo of Shirley; maps; suburban street; photo of house; newspaper clipping; photo of Shirley; maps; cell phone tower; Shirley in court; court documents; flashing police lights; American flag. The private member's bill was introduced by MP Scott Andrews of Newfoundland last fall after he saw "Dear Zachary" at a March 2009 screening in Ottawa and decided to do something about what he saw. If. Information on who and where to write can be found by going to the "Support Bail Reform" page. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. iTunes | Amazon Prime Video | Google Play, DEAR ZACHARY ORIGINAL MOTION PICTURE SCORE ALBUM NOW AVAILABLE. GARDNER: (Audio recording) Is this Dr. Turner? It turns out Shirley owned a .22 caliber handgun, which she acquired while living in Iowa. HEATHER: I was so excited that he was dating somebody. Bill C-464 was introduced in the House of Commons on October 22, 2009, passed the House of Commons unanimously on March 22nd of this year and passed the Senate of Canada last Thursday, December 9th, where it was sponsored by Senator Tommy Banks of Alberta. Then, upon. hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. would now have to be something else, a visual letter to Andrew's baby. They're like, `What do you mean?' Memorial University Medical School. She landed a residency at a hospital in Iowa, several states away but still close enough to allow occasional weekends with Andrew in Pennsylvania. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. After Newfoundland woman killed their son and grandson, California Asked if he would have done anything different back then, David replies, kill Shirley Turner.. Except, OK, sometimes not. How do you represent the fact that when you see a crime coming from a mile away you still cant do anything to stop it? I didn't have. David and Kate Bagby know all about the unlikely power of love funneled through rage. And you just bought the gun, right? On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. anything like that, would we take care of Zachary? GARDNER: (Audio recording) I'm interested in the gun. Zachary didn't seem like. Click HERE for ticket information. TO ME ITS REAL LIFE. Dear Zachary avoids the first pitfall by directly confronting the second. I, Mr. BAGBY: (Audio recording) Look, we will do what is best for Zachary. Check your local listings for channel info. The first time we had contact with her was over the phone. Unidentified Woman #12: We won't forget their son. MORRISON: The sea at midnight was endless black. MORRISON: Andrew tried to make a clean break with Shirley in October 2001. 2015 - 20153 . Published by Statesville Record & Landmark on. 2015 - 2020. The Bagbys were compelled to ensure what happened to their son and grandson never happens again. Kurt is incredibly grateful for the good folks at MSNBC for making this arrangement happen. While that change felt good, David wanted more. You know when you see pictures of some of your friends and then pictures of their parents as kids and they look identical? Ad Choices. ', Mr. SHEARS: Things happen in America that don't seem to happen up here as. Shirley, held his birthday party at McDonald's. HEATHER: You are the most amazing, strongest people I've ever. How the fuck do you live like that? Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' It's. Mr. SIMPSON: You don't need to go out with a woman because you can't think you can do better. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. And so he set out to collect the memories of Andrew's family and giant circle of friends. You can reach out to David Bagby-cantu via phone number 915-383-8358. Dr. Andrew David Bagby (1973-2001) - Find a Grave Memorial Nearly 2 decades after the murder of a physician and his son a legacy Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) That you aren't trying to take my place. David and Kate Bagby moved to St. John's. They forged a relationship with the woman they believed killed their son so they could see Zachary, their only grandchild. The news and opinions youll love for only $10 for 1 year. Kuenne began making Dear Zachary before Turner revealed her pregnancy. Mommy loves you. She. Cpl. MORRISON: Zachary Andrew Turner, the son of murder victim Andrew, Bagby and his accused killer Shirley Turner, was born on July 18th 2002, eight, months after the young doctor's murder. The Bagbys prove it is possible for a woman to kill your child and for you to forge a civil relationship with that woman in order to protect another. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. Why? We couldn't let the authorities who let this happen get away with it. You will laugh, you will smile, you will cry, and you might even want to stand up and shout at the screen. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Much of this DATELINE report incorporates material from Kurt's documentary, as well as something else: the childhood films he made as he taught himself his craft. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. People in the audience were literally weeping during the post-screening Q&A." It comes down to probable cause, the right to bail and the presumption of innocence. dropping Shirley and their grandboy off at her son T.J.'s home (Photo of Zachary sleeping in car seat; streets passing), KATE: She said, `Wake up, Zachary and say goodbye to your grandparents.'. And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. Coverage from the 2023 Canada Winter Games, VIDEO: Your daily elite-sports highlight package, Making Canada Better: Atlantic Canadians striving for change, 2023 SaltWire Network. December 10, 2007: 2023 Cond Nast. Shirley Turner had some startling news. When Bagby said he was going to anyway, Simpson asked him to come to his house right after. Mr. SIMPSON: And he said, `I'm going to need to catch up with you, and we're going to have to do some serious talking.' MORRISON: But then things changed. After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. It wasn't just to monitor the, extradition process. And thank God. What do you want it Mr. BAGBY: Very seriously. Cpl. Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. And if they don't charge her, they had no way to restrict her travel. MORRISON: Life for Andrew Bagby was good.